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INTERVIEW
Hang On To Your Ego

When our writer picked up the phone to interview legendary Beach Boys genius-recluse Brian Wilson, he confronted more than a journalistic minefield. He faced one of his childhood heroes.

BY DAVE McCOY
dmccoy@wweek.com

Brian Wilson
Aladdin Theater 3017 SE Milwaukie Ave., 224-4400
8 pm Sunday and Monday, Oct. 17 and 18
$59-$79.

To mainstream America, Brian Wilson is a Beach Boy. To skeptics, he's a spaced-out drug casualty. Journalists know him as the toughest interview in rock music.

To ardent fans--people like me--he's something else entirely. To those of us who feel the magic, Brian Wilson is the greatest American composer of the last half of the 20th century.

Years of alienation, paranoia and justified skepticism have left Wilson emotionally sealed. Hundreds of eager journalists, pumped to talk to the brilliant recluse, have come away frustrated and exasperated. Wilson avoids questions like Felix Trinidad dodges punches.

So, knowing all this, what did I say when my editor asked me to tackle this ultimate puzzle of music journalism? What do you think?

I was born and raised in SoCal. Hearing "Good Vibrations" is one of my earliest memories. The Beach Boys' sun-kissed anthems of girls, cars and surfing were the soundtrack of my adolescence. And then there's Pet Sounds--an album unlike anything else I've ever heard, a gorgeous and spirtual exploration of squashed innocence that's helped me survive numerous depressions.

Yeah, it's probably better to kill your idols. Or at least avoid meeting them. But how can you pass up the opportunity to talk to an artist you've admired since you were a child?

I also knew that Wilson had been (relatively) better as of late. In May, for the first time ever as a non-Beach Boy, he hit the road for live shows. Backed by a 12-piece band including members of the Wondermints and Poi Dog Pondering, Wilson played a four-show mini-tour in the Midwest, flooring audiences and critics. His two-hour sets included seven tunes from Pet Sounds (including both instrumentals), "Good Vibrations" and a ton of other hits that had never been played live.

Wilson not only survived this venture out of the house, he enjoyed it enough to book a second tour, this time on the West Coast. His Portland shows will be his seventh and eighth solo performances. Ever.

Maybe he'd be fine on the phone.

I consulted a former colleague who'd interviewed Wilson twice, once in person and once over the phone. I told him my news. "Over the phone or in person?" he asked. I told him. He laughed. "Good luck, man," he chuckled. "The phone's almost pointless."

Wilson's publicist also had some words of wisdom.

"Engage him early," she advised. "Immediately talk about music, and save the tougher questions for later." She added that Wilson's interview demeanor depended on his mood: "I've seen him talk to someone for over an hour."

Sounds promising, I thought.

"I've also seen him hang up on someone after two minutes."

Oh.

I'm proud to announce that Brian Wilson didn't hang up on this geeky fan after two minutes. No, I lasted 15, and we hung up mutually. Wilson now holds the record for my shortest interview in 10 years. Twenty-five questions asked in 15 minutes, including probing follow-ups that penetrated nothing but dead air.

Interviewing Wilson feels and sounds a bit like talking to a tipsy 9-year-old. His words tumble quickly out of his mouth, and then he freezes as if he may have said too much. Hardly. Despite being friendly and patient, Wilson gave me absolutely nothing. Each question garnered a one- or two-sentence response, max. Like this:

WW: After so many years, what made you want to go back on the road?

Wilson: My wife and my co-producer both said that the time is right. And I said, 'No, I don't think so.' But they convinced me, they logically convinced me that it'd be a good thing to tour.

Was there any specific reason that convinced you?

They had an ingenious idea for me to go tour.

And so it went for another 14 and a half minutes. I asked him if it felt any different playing solo than as a member of the Beach Boys. Yes, he liked it more now. Silence.

I asked if he knew that he'd inspired a whole new generation of bands (the Elephant 6 Collective, specifically). He said, "Who? I only listen to oldies but goodies." Dead air.

The most enlightening moment came when he admitted being surprised by the standing ovations he'd received during his first four shows. He refused to discuss composing or songwriting or Pet Sounds.

Before we hung up, he thanked me warmly for the interview.

It's fitting that someone known for speaking his emotions musically can't do so with words. Perhaps that's both his strength and his curse. When he performs next week, the real Brian Wilson will emerge. Still, it makes me wonder: Did Picasso give such terrible interviews?

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Willamette Week | originally published October 13, 1999

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