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INTERVIEW
Tony Hopson
(Part II)

BY NIGEL JAQUISS
njaquiss@wweek.com


Last week we talked to Self Enhancement Inc. founder and CEO Tony Hopson about Jefferson High's revitalized basketball program. Hopson co-captained Jefferson's last championship team, in 1972, and was a prime mover behind the success of this year's team.

Jefferson's success on the court comes at a time when the school is struggling academically. Ironically, in Hopson's view, the dominance of that '72 team is linked to the school's current problems. The threat of Jefferson's continued athletic superiority, he says, played a part in Portland Public Schools' desegregation program, which began in the '70s.

While not everybody would agree with Hopson, most observers concede that more than two decades after desegragation began in Portland, the academic achievement gap between white and minority students remains one the district's most intractable problems.

Today, Hopson wears many hats in the community. At SEI, he runs one of the city's largest youth programs, serving nearly 1,000 at-risk kids annually. Along with 30 other high-profile civic leaders, he's a member of the schools' core strategic planning team and carries a lot of weight with school-board members and superintendent Ben Canada. But Hopson is not an establishment guy, and neither has he forgotten the lessons of past civil-rights battles, where standing on tables and shutting down school-board meetings was the only way to make progress. As a co-head of the Education Crisis Team, Hopson is leading an increasingly critical group of minority activists who are demanding greater accountability from the schools.

Willamette Week: Did desegregation strip-mine Jefferson?

Tony Hopson: Yeah, it did. I think it probably started when they built Jackson High School [now Jackson Middle School]. By choice, there were quite a few African-American kids who just decided to go out there and be a part of the brand-new school. And when Jackson closed, those kids moved on to Wilson. It started with athletics, but it grew into just kids in general leaving Jefferson, because, you know, we'd like to think this was not the case, but the most popular kids garner the respect of other kids. Then, you began to hear the negative things about Jefferson. And most often, it really wasn't about Jefferson, it was about what was happening in the community. But you began to get folks who became fearful of going to school at Jefferson and [parents] feeling like, academically, "my kids can't get educated at Jefferson." So you got all of those things, you put all that together and no one wants to go to Jefferson anymore.

So how do you turn that around?

I think you take the process and you throw it in reverse. That's why I think athletics is the place to start, because that's how it started with kids leaving, that's how it can start with them coming back. You make kids understand that you come to Jefferson and be a part of something much larger than if you went to another school. The idea is to get the folks in this community to see Jefferson as a place that they want to be, not a place that they want to run from.

Has the integration process served Jefferson and the community around the school?

No, it hasn't, and I think that's obvious. I need to distinguish between the two words, because to me they're different. Portland had a desegregation program, not an integration program. See, integration to me gives me the choice. Desegregation means that you're going to forcibly desegregate me, you're going to forcibly make me go do something. Any time you tell a community that racial concentration is a bad thing--how do you say to a group of black folks in a school that racial concentration for you is bad, but then all the other schools are predominantly white, and that's good?

So, are magnet schools such as Jefferson a bad idea?

The concept is good, but what happened at Jefferson is it was all done through dance, and it worked in terms of getting a large number of white kids to come to Jefferson, but they chose dance, and they did it in a way (ballet and point) that many of the black students at Jefferson couldn't compete. Very few black kids made it into the Jefferson Dancers. It was always 80 percent white. I mean, black folks can't dance? If they can't do anything else, we know they can dance. If you're going to build up a school, you have to build it up from within. You can't save a school by busing anybody in from outside, because they can always go home.

A couple of the leaders of the crisis team, Ron Herndon and A. Halim Rahsaan, were the same guys who led the desegregation movement 20 years ago. Is that an accurate
perception that the generations of 20-somethings and 30-somethings aren't taking a leadership position?

I think that's true, but I would blame it more on those of us who are in a leadership position not doing what we need to do to identify and mentor that next group. People don't just show up. You identify some folks who have potential, and you begin to bring them. I think that the younger generation is not without leadership, but it is without visible leadership. That is a huge problem when you only have a few folks that are viewed as the leadership, and not that we necessarily are, but from the outside looking in, that's what people think. So we always get phone calls and find ourselves having to speak on behalf of a community when we really can't. I mean, I can only speak for Tony, and I can speak on behalf of Self Enhancement Inc., but I cannot speak for the Northeast community, nor can I speak for Jefferson High School.

Is part of the issue that a lot of talented African Americans choose
to leave town?

Well, you can't live in Portland and truly understand what it means to be an African American. There's just not enough African-American culture here. We don't have black clubs here. You can't go to a show, you can't go to restaurants, you can't go anywhere here and be the majority. There are some people who seek that out, who want that to be a part of their lives, and if you want that to be a part of your life, you have to move out of Oregon to find it. So there are a lot of reasons, in my opinion, for folks not wanting to stay here. The flipside of that is that there's still a lot that can be done here--a lot of things that have happened in other cities have yet to happen here. So it certainly has its positive aspects.

 


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Willamette Week | originally published April 5, 2000

 


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