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INTERVIEW
Sub-Urban Development
The co-author of Talk Radio returns to Portland with a new novel.

BY JEFF MEYERS
243-2122


Eric Bogosian
Powell's Books
at First Congregational Church, 1126 SW Park Ave., 228-4651. 7:30 pm Saturday, Nov. 18.

Mall
by Eric Bogosian
(Simon and Schuster, 246 pages, $23)

"Without the expressive arts, we as human beings become sterile--we lose our souls." --Eric Bogosian


Fifteen years ago, Eric Bogosian and Ted Savinar premiered Talk Radio at the Portland Center for Visual Arts. It was an angry, dynamic and thought-provoking work that set the pace for the rest of Bogosian's career, which has developed into an impressive theatrical résumé.

His latest addition is a novel, Mall. It's the story of five suburbanites whose lives intersect in one violent night at a shopping mall. There's Mal, a 30-year-old speed freak who executes his mother, burns down the house, then heads for the mall with weapons. Then there's Jeff, a dreadlocked teen who falls in love with an ennui-soaked sociopath, Adelle; Danny, a professional with a lingerie fetish; Michel, a Haitian security guard; and Donna, a housewife with an insatiable hunger. All are lost souls led by appetites. Willamette Week spoke with Bogosian before his return to Portland this week to promote Mall.

Willamette Week: Mall's style seems to dovetail with your theatrical explorations of character, except for the characters of Michel and Donna. Both seem to be a departure for you.

Eric Bogosian: They're not necessarily people I immediately identify with--a Haitian immigrant or housewife. On the page I can live through these people, but on stage it would simply become an exercise in mimicry. I never want that to be what my work's about.

Is mall culture infecting the rest of America?

I think the lifestyle of the suburbs is oppressive and very predictable. Everything in the suburbs is imported, nothing develops or grows organically. It makes for a rather stultifying existence, but I participate in it as much as anyone. The notion that there are Americans completely insulated from this--whether they're urban or rural--is simply untrue. I mean, we have a K-Mart on 14th Street! I moved to New York City 25 years ago to live in an exciting anarchic environment, one where I couldn't predict what its dynamics were. Now, you go to Times Square and there's a Virgin Superstore and The Lion King.

You left the suburbs only to have them follow you?

I'm not sure anyone can saddle New York. But I worry about the corporate logic that is being imposed on people. Malls are ugly places that are designed to move as many people in and out as possible and get them to buy. We're almost like the bloodstream for something much bigger than us.

Do you go to the mall?

The thing is, I do go to the mall. I live this life. I have the same appetites and fears as my characters. When I'm moving through this environment, I feel funny, and I wonder if anyone else feels funny, too. I find myself thinking, "You know, it would be nice to buy a scented candle," and I buy that scented candle. But for some reason, going in and out of the scented-candle store gives me a deep feeling of dread.


Is Mal, the mass murderer in your book, rebelling against this environment?

He's not really rebelling. There are going to be Mals in our society. It seems like every three months somebody walks into a high school or a McDonald's with weapons and does something horrible. This is part of the way we live now. I remember when Richard Speck killed those nurses and it left people horrified for years. It was a nightmare come to life. Now, Columbine is floating away and we're just sort of waiting for the next event.

Have you seen others perform your solo shows?

My shows get done all over the world. I've seen the Italian version of my stuff, but missed the three-year run of Sex, Drugs and Rock and Roll in Buenos Aires and the Polish and Bulgarian versions. It's all exciting and very interesting, but it's not me.

My experience of seeing others interpret your work, after having seen you perform it, is how much they don't seem to get what you're doing. They seem to smirk behind the performance, as though the actor is commenting on the character while performing, which undermines the point of your work.

Any time you take a theater piece and interpret it, there's going to be a range of approaches. I've witnessed some horrific versions of my work, and I've also seen great versions. The thing that makes something like Arthur Miller's Death of a Salesman such a classic is that it's bulletproof; however it's done, it still ends up looking right. If you find the way to write so that people don't screw up the material, then you've got a winner. You've got Zoo Story or Our Town. I can't claim that as long as my work relies on the performance.

Your novel was released the day after the election. Is there a comment here that you hope will resonate?

The end of the world is near. Flee for your lives.

 

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