Ethan Powell and Tobias Hogan, two
typical restaurant workers with more than a decade’s experience between
them, wanted more. Two years ago they stepped out and took a gamble that
has lured—and then consumed—many other hospitality industry pros: They
opened their own place.
EaT: An Oyster Bar
has beaten the odds. Powell and Hogan’s midmarket Cajun-style restaurant
has won positive reviews and continues to draw customers to its trendy
North Williams Avenue neighborhood.
Three months after
opening their doors, Powell, 33, and Hogan, 39, took what they thought
wasn’t a gamble at all. This one had to do with a new form of online
marketing—the latest next big thing. They signed up with Groupon.
You
might have heard of this company, Groupon. Rhymes with “coupon.” Groupon
sells vouchers for deep discounts at restaurants, stores, spas and
countless other businesses. The businesses agree to honor the
vouchers—and risk losing money on the deal—hoping to draw new customers.
Groupon sent out tens
of thousands of “daily deals” by email offering $25 worth of seafood at
EaT for anyone willing to pay Groupon $12 for a voucher.
Within
hours, Groupon had sold 1,544 of the EaT vouchers. And Powell and Hogan
were committed to serving that many meals, each at a big discount, in
hopes they could attract far more business.
Indeed, they were
swamped. “We probably made money,” Powell says. “And we still wouldn’t
do it again because it was such a nightmare.”
“It was,” Hogan adds, “absolutely horrible.”
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SHELL GAME: Even though the owners of Eat: An Oyster Bar made money with Groupon, they say they’ll never run another daily deal promotion.
Credits: Darryl James
Swarms of first-time
customers (most of whom never came back again) crowded out, undercut and
alienated their regulars who were paying full price. Servers got
stiffed on tips. Powell even had a Groupon thrown in his face by a
customer after he declined to let the man redeem the same gift
certificate twice.
For everyone else,
Groupon worked exactly as planned—the diners got a great deal, and
Groupon (which often pockets half of the voucher’s price) walked away
with an estimated $9,200 for doing little more than sending out emails.
In all, Groupon is on track to collect $2 million from Portland
businesses this year, based on WW’s estimate of Groupon’s likely share of its Portland business.
Groupon is truly a
phenomenon. Two solid years of friendly buzz from TV news, daily papers
and consumer blogs have helped Groupon sell 22 million deals in North
America that the company says have saved consumers $980 million.
Late last year,
Google tried to buy Groupon for $6 billion, an incredible sum for a
three-year-old startup that basically runs a large email list.
Groupon’s
30-year-old founder and chief executive, Andrew Mason, turned Google
down. The company is making an initial public stock offering that values
it at $30 billion.
Hordes of copycat
daily deals sites emerged—from ZapHour.com in Portland to Maryland-based
Jewpon.com (think half off kosher meats). In June, the spurned Google
launched its own product, Google Offers.
None has come close to matching Groupon’s success.
Portland is an
important launching pad for the deals companies. The Portland metro area
is reportedly Groupon’s 15th-largest market, an outsized showing given
the city’s population. Google Offers decided to test its product here in
June ahead of larger tech-savvy markets like San Francisco, New York
and Austin. The Oregonian publicized an account of EaT’s early success, and Google Offers’ launch here gained worldwide attention in the media.
Many retailers are
happy with their daily deals experience. Jonathan Magnus of PDX Pedicab,
for instance, says Groupon deals helped his company fill down time. “It
turned out to be successful,” he says.
But consumers—who
almost never lose out on these deals—are probably unaware of the
consequences they have had on many other businesses.
Nearly
half the businesses using daily deals report they made no money.
Customers often get their discounts and run to the next deal, without
creating the loyal relationship that Groupon says can follow. Even
Powell and Hogan say the fact that they made money doesn’t justify the
damage these daily deals can do to businesses and employees.
“You can’t hire
people because you’ve discounted your product. Now you’ve got to work
more hours to break even, because your margins dropped a couple of
percentage points,” Powell says. “It seems regressive more than
progressive. The small-business owner gets pushed down and pushed down.”
Groupon CEO Andrew Mason did not return text messages and
emails; a company spokesperson did not return messages. Because Groupon
is about to sell shares publicly for the first time, federal securities
rules limit what the company’s executives can say publicly.
Groupon sets out to be the advertising and marketing department that many small businesses lack.
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WUNDERKIND: Groupon CEO Andrew Mason has overseen the company’s phenomenal growth.
Credits: Max Whittaker
Every morning,
Groupon emails some 83 million loyal consumers with pitches for deeply
discounted goods and services at restaurants, spas and boutiques around
the country. It’s not the place to go if you want to save 50 cents on a
jug of milk, but if you’re $40 short of a desperately needed facial,
check Groupon.
If you want to take
part in a Groupon deal, the company charges your credit card and you get
the voucher on your computer or phone. Groupon then divides the money
with the business offering the deal.
Groupon touts its
“collective buying” model as a revolutionary system that creates value
for everyone involved—shoppers, sellers and Groupon itself.
“We only win if you win,” says the soothing, unseen narrator in a Groupon sales video.
That’s not quite
right. Groupon gets its money first, whereas every other party to the
transaction may or may not realize a gain.
Let’s say a boutique
usually offers a scarf for $20. But with a Groupon deal, customers can
get it for $10 by buying the voucher.
There is no upfront
cost to the business running the promotion. Groupon typically keeps half
of the discounted price, and reimburses half—so, $5 of the original $20
price of the scarf—to the merchant. But the store doesn’t get its share
all at once. Groupon makes a partial payment within a few days of the
start of the promotion, paying the remaining balance over a period of
months.

It’s not clear how
many merchants run more than one deal with Groupon, but the company
claims its service is so successful that 97 percent of businesses who
used it ask to be featured again.
Elephants
Delicatessen, the venerable local caterer and eatery, has run promotions
with both Groupon and Google Offers. Elephants CEO Anne Weaver says her
experience with both companies was great.
Weaver says she entered into each promotion knowing that it would be what’s known in business-speak as a “loss leader.”
“We’re
not making a dime on these things; it’s just mostly promotional
awareness,” Weaver says. “You can pretty much do the math when you’re
giving away the store for half price.”
We did the math.
Between the two promotions, Elephants committed to serving more than
10,000 customers, according to Groupon and Google Offers. That means
that Elephants guaranteed discounts (after being paid by the companies)
that cost it as much as $46,000.
Despite
the strain the rush of customers put on the business—and even though
some customers attempted fraud by using the same voucher multiple
times—Weaver is satisfied the online deals exposed her business to a new
clientele.
“It was huge. Talk about getting mobbed,” Weaver says. “Our people were not loving us for doing it.”
Another
self-described success story comes from another iconic Portland
business: the pedicab. Magnus, of PDX Pedicab, says his company is about
to run its third Groupon promotion; he says the first one, a discounted
distillery tour, brought in $12,000.
“We didn’t have to
put a lot of money out of pocket,” he says. “In fact, we made a little
money off of it. It also opens up a demographic that we normally don’t
have access to. A lot of people came from Beaverton.”
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It's called "marketing". A loss should be expected with the hope that your product will capture the loyalty of 10-15% of the people exposed to the offer. Capturing that business should recoup any losses within a few weeks or months (unless your products and service suck). A business that enters into Groupon's marketing scheme is doing it to save the real advertising dollars needed to grow a business. Pretty basic.
Why are my tax dollars being loaned to private ventures? wtf?
ITA, if you read the Posie's blog, it becomes quite apparent that she's far from a savvy business person. Basically, she was unprepared, couldn't handle it and there's no way she lost $10,000 if you look at typical restaurant margins (BTW, I'm an F&B veteran, so yes, I do know what I'm talking about).
That said, it's frequently been my experience that most (not all) companies who use these promotions really ARE selling an inferior product or service and NEED the warm bodies. Just like the businesses that buy into the Entertainment Book or Val-Pak (same business model).
While there are some patrons who definitely use Groupon as a one and done, it's still on the business to provide a positive experience once they have new customers. We visited a sushi restaurant with a Groupon, it really was dreadful. My Groupon had actually been free, otherwise, I would've wanted my voucher back.
The article also neglects to mention that many people purchase vouchers and (like gift certificates) never actually use them----so there's $$$ that the merchant makes. That said, I can easily believe that Groupon (and their next biggest competitor, Living Social) actually operate at a loss. And might well be defunct in a few years.
Anyone who has ever been to Posies can tell you Groupon is the least of their problems.
It seems like there is a real opportunity for a company to offer a service that a business can use to develop a long term strategy for providing deals and incentives to local shoppers. Speaking with a fairly large number of small businesses, it seems that a solution should:
-Have an affordable and constant (i.e. budgettable cost)
-Provide a business the ability to update their offers on the fly in response to real world events (offer was too good or not good enough)
-Provide statistical tracking to a business can see how things are going over time and plan into the future
I got involved in a project to do the above and quite a bit more. We just moved into an "Open Beta" stage and would love the feedback of the commenters below. To see our how it works for our latest member try it out at:
http://www.mydealcompass.com/northwest-arkansas-tcby-73-0.html
Would you use this as a business? As a consumer? What works and what doesn't? I look forward to hearing any and all feedback.
Elephants deli? Really? You must be kidding. They were looking to make a quick "margin" buck using Groupon. It worked. The deal goes like this:
The Elephants deli product is grossly and historically overpriced to begin with. Like 22.95 lb for salmon with cucmber dill salad ( they aren't using prime, wild caught salmon here folks...). Or the Venetian Chicken for 14.00 a pound.The menu is online..for all to see.
Groupon sells a half off coupon and a person walks in, orders whatever and pays with a Visa card. If they spend 25.00 on lunch and deal is for 50% off then Elephants is making 12.50 on the deal. But Elephants prices are so inflated for the value recieved it is not accurate to use them as an example of a Groupon success. They are an established business and can "afford" to give it away. Calling it a loss leader is inaccurate. A loss leader is a retail term that refers to a marketing technique to get people into the store for a certain item IN COMBINATION with fully priced items. A new startup however cannot do this. They will lose money....but Groupon will make money.
Elephants can easily "absorb" the loss. it has a huge profit margin to aborb it with. Nike could do the same. So could Wal-mart...even with their thin margins they still could do it. But a small, mom and pop, start-up granola and gluten free coffee shop...cannot. There is nothing hip about Groupon..it is a predatory business, targeting small vulnerable busineses.
I think the idea that Walmart's profit margins are "thin" but that established local food business, including gourmet shops & place like Elephants are just rolling in dough is ridiculous. How could a food business of that size squeeze its providers to give the lowest cost on products the way Walmart and Nike are able to. There isn't a sweatshop where the salmon is being roasted - wild or not. If you don't like the food at Elephants, fair game. Unless you have a solid understanding & information about the costs of running a food business, then your comments are just speculation and half baked opinion.
Smaller food businesses & startups are even less equipped to plan a marketing budget to cover these kinds of deals. Service businesses get burned too, though they stand to lose less than those who actually have more of a fixed product cost involved.
So let me get this straight, Groupon says here's the deal: "We're going to drive a bunch of people into your business. If they like it, they'll come back." The owner says great and signs up knowing the terms. Groupon sells a bunch of coupons and drives a bunch of business to them. The owner says "Hey, that didn't work out how I wanted. I didn't even break even. You took advantage of me!"
I don't get it. You wanted exposure and you got it and it came at a cost. Then (by some accounts) it sounds like they got annoyed by the customers trying to use the offer they made them and now they're surprised that those people don't want to come back. Hmmm ... surely the owners of some of these places share in the blame likely because they treated people like shit.
Caveat emptor! If I go to your business and buy something like say lunch and it sucks ass. I still have to pay you for it. I don't say -- that shitty restaurant took advantage of me. I just think that sucked and I'm not going to do it again. Why should Groupon be any different for the business owners? Chances are if they're turning to Groupon out of desperation for new customers they're probably failing or at least starting to anyways.
I mean honestly it makes a lot of these unhappy business owners look bad to see them bitch about the risks of opening a business, especially when they appear to have really weak marketing plans to begin with. With groupon at least they see the impact unlike other intangible forms of advertising in say a newspaper.
I'm sorry for the business owners who have fallen on tough times, but simply opening a business does not entitle you to success. It would be great if it did, but sadly that's just not how life works. If you don't believe me, ask a food cart owner.
Actually Elephant's IS pretty close to a sweatshop---they demand huge devotion from their employees and pay horribly. Plus because Elephant's makes the bulk of their $$$ from their off premise catering AND work largely from a central kitchen supplying their outlets (similar to Taco Bell, FYI), their costs/margins are significantly lower thanmany of their competitors.
"A lot of people came from Beaverton".
That pretty much sums it up. Anectodedly, it seems that most of the problems that businesses are having with Groupon customers are the ones that don't follow the Groupon rules. This is the coupon crowd who thinks they're entitled to be rude and grabby and use their Groupons more than once, outside of the specifications of the Groupon, do not tip appropriately, etc. and then are very rude when asked to comply with the terms of the Groupon. This is why many businesses have a terrible experience with Groupon and other similar discounting options like dine out cards. The people buying these things are looking for the next cheap deal - they aren't looking to discover a new business. If Groupon could find a way to police the people buying these things (like kicking out repeat offenders from the email list) that would go a long way toward getting small businesses back. As it is, I'm too embarrassed to buy a Groupon for a small business, wary of being grouped in with the Beaverton coupon-cutters.
A think you'll find the shift away from "who has the biggest subscriber list" to "who delivers the highest quality customers" soon. Groupon = Coupon clippers, Living Social = people trying new businesses, Gilt Groupe = people with money to burn, Google Offers = super fan willing to try anything Google says to try (often educated, male and with disposable income)
Oh christ, not this again. More or less the same article pops up, slightly modified, every couple months, but it strikes me as a story in search of a controversy.
"And because the show up with a coupon in their hand, they feel like they're entitled to something." Um, they are. Because you sold them a coupon to your business, on purpose, for money. This woman pops up everytime the Groupon screeds get written. Groupon did exactly what they promised - they brought a lot of new business in. Burke seems to have a problem with the quality of the new customers and the dollar amount that SHE DECIDED TO SELL.
I mean, E.A.T. themselves admits that they made money on the deal. Most of the complaints seem to be OE - operator error, i.e. dickheads trying to use vouchers twice or stiffing servers. Groupon did not create these people - I was getting stiffed on tips long before internet flash sales. It may distill these people from the diluted masses, and occasionally unleash clouds of the stingy onto local businesses. Why does that make them evil?
Of course business owners are busy and wear many hats, but look - it doesn't take Warren Buffett to figure out that if you sell a cheap product, cheap people will buy it. It sucks that some people are rude and don't tip, but that's not really Groupon's fault. Working around it requires some creativity on the part of the business owner - it's common to limit the number sold (dur), and I've noticed that the shrewder businesses figure out a Groupon dollar amount which the user will almost certainly have to buy beyond (i.e., at full price and profit margin).
Although Groupon may be somewhat overzealous in their approach to sales, I just can't see anything to get really worked up about here. IMHO, Groupon works more or less as advertised. If you are a somewhat normally functioning individual, it's an opportunity to try out places you might not otherwise have. Personally, I return to the small handful of business for which I have bought groupons and which have pleased me with their product/service. If I don't go back, it's almost always because the value of their full-priced goods is out of whack with the price (or because they've closed - come back, Alu!). I find it somewhat irresponsible to continue to try and drum up outrage about an overexcited sales staff and business owners who failed to do enough due diligence. And honestly, none of these stories really pass into the realm of horror, or even slightly eerie. So far as I can tell, all of these businesses are still operating.