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February 15th, 2012 RUTH BROWN | Q & A
 

Hotseat: Camas Davis

The Portland Meat Collective founder explains why people want to kill Roger Rabbit.

culturefeature.pdxmeat_3815CAMAS DAVIS: Writer with a saw. - IMAGE: vivianjohnson.com
When Roger Rabbit was bunnynapped, Camas Davis was blogging. The response to her daily updates on the Portland Meat Collective website wasn’t pretty.

“I was deeply saddened by your recent loss of 18 rabbits intended for slaughter for your rabbit butchery class,” snarks a commenter on the website the 2-year-old organization that teaches hands-on meat skills—butchery, sausage-making, curing and, yes, slaughter—to non-professional cooks. “The idea that a room full of smug, pugnacious, privileged, bourgeois would-be urban homesteaders might have been given another opportunity to jeer at some petty inconvenience really burns me.”

Such comments flooded the site—and every news site in Portland—last month when news broke that 18 rabbits, including a breeder buck named Roger, were stolen from the yard of a PMC instructor ahead of a slaughter class the next day. 

Who are these Portlanders learning to raise and slaughter their own animals: Urban hipsters looking for foodie street cred or devoted locavores who want to take DIY agriculture to its extremes? Davis, a former Portland Monthly food writer, told WW who really wields the cleavers in her classes.


WW: What do you think is the attraction of getting hands-on with your own meat?
Camas Davis: On purely a tactile level, I think it’s important with anything we eat to have the experience of producing it or harvesting it or curing it. I just think food tastes better if you have an involvement with how it got to you. I also think there’s a lot of political reasons. One being that I think the entire way that we get meat to our tables in America is pretty horrific…. I do think we would make very different choices about how we eat it if we were actually involved in that process. And, ultimately, I think we eat too much meat in America, and part of that is we don’t have to engage with all of the terrible parts of getting meat to our tables. And when you do slaughter and you do realize how much work it is to break down a side of pig, you do eat less pig.


But is it practical for people to do that? Can’t you just buy from an ethical farmer?

I don’t believe that everyone should be raising their own pigs and butchering them themselves.... My problem is that each part of the process is so specialized. So you have just the slaughterhouse and just the farmers. The farmers don’t know how to slaughter the meat, the slaughterhouse doesn’t know how the meat was raised. You have consumers who don’t have any idea about any of those processes.


What kind of people take your slaughter class?

Most of the people who take my classes are taking it for education—I would say maybe 40 percent of the students are actually hoping to, over time, learn how to kill one pig a year, one cow a year, do everything themselves, and that’s all they’re going to eat, if that, and that’s their goal. There have been a lot of people over the age of 50 who grew up on farms, and they’ve gotten away from that and now want to go back in terms of how they source their food…. We have a significant number of people who are vegans and vegetarians who come to the class to discover if they kill something, if they’re OK with it again…. It seems like most people come to see if they can do it. It’s like a personal test they go through to see if they can justify eating meat.

How do they typically react?

Surprisingly, a lot calmer than I thought. It may be the way we teach our classes is like: Look, this is a really hard thing to do, and you either have to commit or not; you can’t waver in this because the animal will suffer…. And people typically commit. And some people cry and some people hesitate and some people don’t do it right, and that’s really hard to watch. So there’s all kinds of reactions. What’s interesting to me is after everyone’s done their slaughter is the discussion that occurs. It’s pretty much everyone working through out loud if that felt good or not. A lot of times it doesn’t.


What was your first time slaughtering an animal like?

It’s hard, it’s a complicated moment…. It’s a moment where you both distance yourself from the animal and you become very close to it in the exact same moment. And that is a complicated moment for anyone. Physically, it’s hard to hold a live thing in your hands and have it not be alive all of a sudden. It’s a moment I have trouble writing about and a moment I have trouble talking about, and it’s different for everyone. The thing I always say is if it ever becomes easy, then you probably shouldn’t do it. Because it is hard. And if it becomes easy, then you might have something wrong with you.

Although there is a strong movement toward local, sustainable food at the moment, there is a concurrent movement toward an almost sexualization or fetishization of food, and especially of meat. Do you worry about what you’re doing getting swept up in that?

I remember when I was in France, The New York Times came out with an article that declared butchers the “new rock stars.” And they had all these guys who started butchering in bars and people would drink cocktails and watch the pig on the bars. And I’m not into that. I don’t like any of the fetishization of bacon, or meat or whatever. The bacon thing for me is like: I love bacon, it’s great, but it’s just fucking bacon. Get the fuck over it. It’s part of a pig, and when you butcher a whole pig, you realize that every part of the pig can be cooked or cured in an amazing way. But Americans don’t know that. For me, the bacon thing is just another way to distance us from the meat itself. So I’m very wary of that, and I’m wary of being put into that category, and I try very hard to not come across as someone who fetishizes it or gets off on it or thinks they’re a rock star because of it.

Do you feel like the PMC was fairly portrayed in the whole rabbit story?

It’s not so much how it was portrayed as it is how few interesting discussions came out of it. People reported on what did happen and didn’t happen, and then the comments were insane. I do think that the whole rabbit thing was, and still is to some extent, really engaging in an important discussion about what this means. And what it means for an organization who is like, “Yup, we’re going to be totally open about everything we do, and you can either choose to see it or not”—why that kind of organization gets attacked versus all these other places who are like, “No, we’re not going to talk about this, just look the other way.” It’s interesting on so many levels, and yet I have no idea how to create an open dialogue, because it’s so polarizing.  

 
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02.16.2012 at 12:05 Reply

Sadly the hate is not surprising. When the Oregonian ran a food article on how to cook rabbit the response was amazing. I guess lots of people believe thatfood just appears wrapped in plastic at the store.

 

02.16.2012 at 01:58
ron

i don't understand camas's reasoning: "you can’t waver in this because the animal will suffer." if camas has any concern about animal suffering, she will stop killing them immediately. her partial concern is laughable. and by her own logic, there is clearly something wrong with her: "if [slaughtering an animal] becomes easy, then you might have something wrong with you." apparently it's become easy enough not only for her to do it over and over again, but to teach others how to do it, too.

 

02.17.2012 at 04:43 Reply

Was she intentionally named after a town in Washington, or is this "Ironic"? I am not enough of a sub setter to know (See:hipsters, foodies, DIY'ers, would be urban homesteaders et al). Incidentally "locavores" is about as annoying and pretentious as "NoPo" and other idiotic terms used in this town. At Greg....I lived on a farm as a kid for 3 years.....you live in a fucking city. What part of this do you not grasp? This DIY shit is downright silly

 

02.17.2012 at 07:23

Wow, three whole years as a child- what happened, the pony died and your parents were forced to take you back to the city to stop your constant crying? I never worked on a farm as my Dad and uncles did and as my cousins continue to this day. I did spend 7 summers working in orchards and two helping clean dairy farms. I guess you feel it is better to pay significantly more for food than to simply raise it yourself- the folks that operate mass distribution and add on costs love people like you. There is no doubt that some of the DIY people do it because it is a fad and will stop as soon as a new one comes along. Just as people like you will find something new to sneer at.

 

02.18.2012 at 03:11 Reply

Not quite greg. In fact at 10 years old I had to put down a dairy cow (broken leg), not the most pleasant experience, but a lesson. Since then however, I spent 8 years as a Marine and many more as an outdoorsman, because I very much love the wilderness. Hipster wanna be Urban homesteaders like yourself are a  fucking joke. Oh, and I never had a pony but thanks for the visual mr DIY tough guy

 

02.19.2012 at 10:50 Reply

Camas is a flower, the town in WA is also named after it. It's a litttle more unusual than Daisy or Rose, yeah. Who gives a crap whether her parents gave it to her or she adopted the moniker later. Can we please keep the personal mockery and the stereotyping and the "I'm tougher than you, crybaby" dicksizing out of this, Greg and Terence? Also the sneering about "hipsters" and "urban homesteaders" seems to think it has acceptable targets but perhaps you aren't aware in other cities, this is a class/race division issue. Recently in Holyoke MA articles about allowing locals to keep a few chickens brought out the worst bigot trolls in droves. The level of venom was similar. So which is it - the backwardness of rural brown people, or the dilettantery of urban limpwrists? How about you just don't go there?

I wouldn't eat a bunny, but then I'm vegetarian. If you eat meat, and genuinely believe it is necessary or natural to do so, raising small meat animals at home is actually not much more outrageous than keeping chickens for the eggs. Keeping chickens at home and killing them to eat was not unusual a few generations back, my own grandparents did. There are standards of humaneness and safety that should be strictly observed but it sounds like Ms. Davis' rabbits are infinitely better cared-for than industrially farmed animals, and she isn't chopping down any rainforests. I rather doubt that her classes are teaching anyone to be LESS humane towards food animals, which they'd be consuming in steady quantity anyway. In fact being divorced from suffering that benefits us (whether of animals, or of people in far countries whose cheap goods we buy or who we're bombing) can make people more callous about just how much there is of it.

I would hope that a lot more people having to face the source of their food would make a few more vegetarians, of course, I'm not w/out ulterior motive.

 

02.19.2012 at 04:31 Reply

Only in Portland would this shit be a story. "Portlandia" indeed.

Oh, and this:

"Although there is a strong movement toward local, sustainable food at the moment"

Is horsheshit. There's a "movement" alright, and it's happening almost entirely in tabloids. The truth, dear Portlanders, is that the amount of food coming into the city from other countries and states for everyday consumption grows monthly. We aren't eating more local food--we're eating LESS.

Don't believe me? Research it and learn for yourself. It's akin to the urban legend about Portland "lowering" its greenhouse gas emissions--except that it didn't.

 

 
 

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