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November 22nd, 2006 BETH SLOVIC | News
 

Scholarly Debate

Last week's "Illegal Scholar" cover story sparks a heated reaction.

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Last week's "Illegal Scholar" cover story touched a nerve rubbed raw by the nation's ongoing debate over illegal immigration.

As of Tuesday, the piece about a Franklin High School senior and Reed College applicant who's in this country illegally had generated 45 comments on wweek.com.

"We should not reward lawbreakers, no matter how long they have gotten away with it and no matter how deep a hole they have dug themselves into," wrote "Tim," one of many apparently prompted to comment by conservative radio host Lars Larson's KXL show on the story last Wednesday.

Other readers wrote to WW saying the 17-year-old and his family should be deported immediately, that they should have applied for citizenship already, and that the boy does not deserve a slot at an American college, given his illegal status.

As for the story's protagonist, identified by WW only as Carlos, he was visiting Lewis & Clark College this week. (Dean of Admissions Mike Sexton says Carlos can apply there as an international student.)

The Mexican citizen says he knew many readers would argue that he's not entitled to a college education in this country because he does not have a visa to live in the United States. But if he's an uninvited resident of this country, so too were the Pilgrims, he said just days before Thanksgiving.

"If people want to start an argument with 'you're illegal, you're uninvited, you're a criminal,' I don't feel they have a right to be saying that," Carlos says. "If you get into that whole topic, you can just go on forever." An online discussion of the story at Reed prompted several students to sympathize with Carlos. Many voiced approval for Reed's policy of admitting the best applicants regardless of their immigration status.

"Can you imagine being in his shoes, and agreeing to be the subject of an article that you know will get a response like that?" asked one student on the online forum at LiveJournal.com. "That ought to say something about his strength of character."

Reed students haven't gone so far as to print "Admit Carlos" T-shirts, but they have joked about other means for supporting the high-school senior.

"Hey, is Reed, since it's a private institution, considered something like a corporation?" asked one student on the online forum. "In which case it would count as a person, and our school can marry him and he could get a green card."

"Sorry," another student responded. "I think Reed counts as a boy, and the voters have spoken."

Perhaps in response to the radio discussion of the story, Reed administrators received phone calls from at least two people claiming to be donors cutting off their support for the private college. The disaffected donors would not give their names, though, meaning they may have had no real affiliation with the college, says Mitchell Hartman, communications director at Reed.

One of the Reed trustees whom Larson suggested should be pressured is Tim Boyle, president and CEO of Columbia Sportswear.

Boyle was out of town last week when the show aired, but company spokesman John Fread says Boyle doesn't feel it's his role as a Reed trustee to discuss academic matters such as the college's admissions policies.

Meanwhile, efforts appear on track in the 2007 Legislature to introduce a bill that would open Oregon's public universities to undocumented immigrants such as Carlos who graduate from Oregon high schools.

State Rep.-elect Ben Cannon, a Democrat who represents Carlos' neighborhood near Franklin High in Southeast Portland, says he's received positive responses from WW readers who support his promise to introduce such legislation.

"They didn't come here by choice," Cannon says of the thousands of students like Carlos in Oregon. "They've been told to work hard.... To me, it seems grossly unfair to penalize these students."

 
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11.22.2006 at 10:03 Reply
>one of many apparently prompted to comment

>by conservative radio host Lars Larson's KXL

>show on the story last Wednesday.

I know this comment was directed partly at me. But -- sorry! -- I don't listen to Lars. In fact, I don't listen to much radio at all. I didn't know Lars was even talking about it. But besides, what does it matter where the conversation comes from? Seems like your attacking the messenger because you can't defend the message.

>and that the boy does not deserve a slot at

>an American college, given his illegal status.

Wrong. We never said that. He can go to whatever college admits him academically. What we said is that TAXPAYERS shouldn't have to FUND his college education, because in part there are too many equally worthy hundreds of thousands of LEGAL students here who are just as needy or more. Why single out him? Because he's local? Sheesh I can walk you down Hawthorne this afternoon and find 1,000 intelligent liberal youngsters in need of a college education who are here legally.

>As for the story's protagonist, identified by WW

>only as Carlos, he was visiting Lewis & Clark

>College this week. (Dean of Admissions Mike

>Sexton says Carlos can apply there as

>an international student.)

Great. If he can get admitted to L&C as an international student ... than what's the problem?

>The Mexican citizen says he knew many readers

>would argue that he's not entitled to a

>college education in this country because he does

>not have a visa to live in the United States.

Not true. What we're saying is that TAXPAYERS shouldn't have to fund his college education, and/or why should someone WITHOUT a valid visa take the spot of another student who DOES? Colleges only admit a certain number of students every year: How would you feel if you were the person who was not accepted just because Carlos was?

>But if he's an uninvited resident of this country,

>so too were the Pilgrims, he said just days

>before Thanksgiving.

That's a straw man. None of the Pilgrims went to college after they landed here. And besides, the land on which they came ashore wouldn't even be a country for another 150 years. It was a different era, a different country, and a different set of circumstances and you know it.

Your agenda, Beth, is obvious and it's not becomming of a true journalist. Although, it's par for the course at WW, I suppose.

 

11.22.2006 at 05:26 Reply
Is it correct to be using Livejournal as a source? You do not link directly to the Reed Livejournal forum, just livejournal. I would consider this to be, depending on whether you emailed the people who you've quoted or not, illegal quoting. Quoting without permission is illegal, do you have permission? You have not done anything with the quotes that I consider reprehensible, but it could have been easily done as up until recently it was an open forum where anyone, not only Reed students, were allowed to post.

 

11.23.2006 at 10:44 Reply
Tell Mike Sexton that if he admits "Carlos" as an international student, without "Carlos" having legal status through any manner, including an Education Visa, then we should conclude that someone ate his brain with red beans and rice. :)

 

11.23.2006 at 06:25 Reply
The comment about the random liberals on Hawthorne being just as deserving was hilarious. Did you read the article? This student has shown serious committment to school, taking AP classes and such. This is not a random, wandering kid without direction. This is a scholar who is competing with top students for a chance at an opportunity. Doesn't his merit make him deserving? Plus, the article said his parents ARE taxpayers. This whole concept that he is undeserving because he is taking from Hawthorne "liberals" is absurd. All of those "deserving" people could get student loans or scholarships too if they worked for it, or actually if they even applied for them. This young man is a scholar. Sounds like he is deserving of an education based on his scholarship, not just on his need. And please don't mention Pilgrams. It's true that this is a different nation than it was one hundred and some years ago, but it looks like the treatment of people of color has remained just as unaccepting, oppressive, and closed-minded. What do we mean when we say "go back where you came from?" Do we realize that a Mexican-American actually has more historical connection to this continent than any white person of European heritage? Also, there were many nations on this land before the "pilgrams" came here. Any attitude that suggests that a Mexican-American person does not deserve the opportunity to be educated here is one of pure hegemonic ignorance; Mexican-American workers do pay taxes, and their labor is the foundation of the American service industry. To exclude their children from the benefit of education demonstrates true inequity. As always, the historical record will prove that this is an opportunity for exclusionary practices to be changed. Remember, many of these same arguments were used against African-American people and women during their fights for higher education. Then it was that there were "more deserving men," or in the case of African-American educational access "more deserving white Americans," but the historical record will demonstrate the nature of true justice. In this case, the right thing to do is to provide access for children of tax-paying Mexican Immigrants.

 

11.24.2006 at 10:34 Reply
> What we're saying is that TAXPAYERS shouldn't have to fund his college education

Ha! So, does that mean his parents shouldn't have to pay for his college education, because I'm pretty sure they were explicitly clear about his family paying taxes (albeit under false SSNs).

 

 
 

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